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Things that could drum up support in Wales

Post  Maddog Jones on Sun 30 May 2010 - 10:03

We have a harsh set of cards dealt to us in Wales. With no hospital, a majority of Welshmen die - only a very select few make it on to come to London and live.

However, it also makes it very easy to spam ads specifically in the Wales region, which, produced by the Celtic League, could have new player guides, companies for them to work in, the Celtic League militia for them to fight in - it would be very easy to create a new generation of Welshmen of the Celtic League variety.

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Post  Anthony Colby on Sun 30 May 2010 - 13:08

Is there any way to have a company in the region so players can survive but pay as little in way of taxes to the gov? We want to help the Welsh but not fund the UK.

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Post  Maddog Jones on Sun 30 May 2010 - 13:19

Not that I'm aware of. Maybe a company based somewhere else and we could work on getting people to a company in, say, Ireland.

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Post  Anthony Colby on Sun 30 May 2010 - 13:43

It is just to bad that the Welsh would have to move from Wales in order to be Welsh. If a company has a license to sell in another country which country gets the taxes? The country where the company is based or the one where the goods are sold?

The current boycott renders this question moot but for future reference it may come in handy.

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Post  Maddog Jones on Sun 30 May 2010 - 14:28

I'm pretty sure it's where the company is based, so doesn't help us.

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Post  Saigneur on Sun 30 May 2010 - 15:49

Anthony Colby wrote:Is there any way to have a company in the region so players can survive but pay as little in way of taxes to the gov? We want to help the Welsh but not fund the UK.
Couldn't they give the minimum salary and pay the rest manually ? I know the players wouldn't like that too much as most want to be able to spend right away their day of work pay and that this would give the GM quite some more work too but... We have same problems in Brittany, that's why I moved. Sad
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Post  don.squire on Sun 30 May 2010 - 17:04

I would say that a Q1 training company in Wales would suit the needs of Welsh babies. Once they advance further they could be employed in Ireland or (if we are better funded) a higher Q company in Wales. The system would have to be setup in a commune/donation type system in order to keep as much as possible out of the taxman's hand. If we are going this far we might as well supply the appropriate quality food along with whatever extra salary is owed (as then they would not be forced to buy eUK food and further contribute to the eUK economy)

Screenie from Big Brothers Company Calc Tool (All #'s in gbp NOT iep):



We could afford to pay for Q3 Food for 10 employees with Q3 Food costs 0.07Gold/ea.

Level 0-3 manufacturing skills would be trained in Wales and then they could move to Ireland or get paid more GBP under the table along with Q3 Food

Skill 4 = Q3 Food + 3GBP
Skill 5 = Q3 Food + 5GBP
Skill 6 = Q3 Food + 7GBP

Ironically these salaries are 20% lower than average salaries for this skill in the eUK. It corresponds to the 20% tax rate of the eUK effectively giving the employee the EXACT SAME compensation as anyone else in the eUK! I LOL'ed HARD at this.

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Post  Anthony Colby on Sun 30 May 2010 - 18:44

Well if we could do this in Wales I think it would be best. Showing our Welsh brothers and sisters that we want to help them in their own land would be a huge ego boost to them and the League. That type of thing does matter. Pride is very powerful. And our goal is to unite ( socially and economically at first ) these regions, not just move all the people to Ireland.

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Post  don.squire on Sun 30 May 2010 - 20:42

Let me just also add that we would run a similar deal for Brittany, need to check wages/prices, oh, and of course come up with the Gold to start them Wink

Welsh (and Breton) Citizen would be encouraged to take advantage of home government incentives to move toward Q5 hospitals (London and Paris/Corsica) as this will help them to gain xp by getting 5 fights at every available battle.

Also, I we should build the company within the actual geographic limits of Brittany/Wales. (Should we eventually setup Raw Mat companies this obviously would change due to High regions in London and Paris/Limousin.)

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Post  Anthony Colby on Mon 31 May 2010 - 6:00

don.squire wrote:Let me just also add that we would run a similar deal for Brittany, need to check wages/prices, oh, and of course come up with the Gold to start them Wink

Welsh (and Breton) Citizen would be encouraged to take advantage of home government incentives to move toward Q5 hospitals (London and Paris/Corsica) as this will help them to gain xp by getting 5 fights at every available battle.

Also, I we should build the company within the actual geographic limits of Brittany/Wales. (Should we eventually setup Raw Mat companies this obviously would change due to High regions in London and Paris/Limousin.)

We will do everything we can for all out Celtic brothers and sisters. If they have an existing company I would think we could also help with trade licenses to Ireland.
If we traded between a Raw Mat company and manufacturing within the League it would keep taxes out of the hands of the UK gov.

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Post  Anthony Colby on Mon 31 May 2010 - 8:15

There is a weapon company for sale in Wales for 19 gold.

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Post  don.squire on Mon 31 May 2010 - 10:16

Anthony Colby wrote:There is a weapon company for sale in Wales for 19 gold.

The following is a list of companies in order of profitability being used as a training company in Wales:

Food
Gift
Moving Tickets
Weapons

We know that gifts and tickets are harder markets to make sales whereas food and weapons are used daily.

Weapons companies are more valuable in the long-run but as far as Q1 goes, I am surprised that anything can make a profit.

If anyone has another idea for making this work (cue any socialists/communists) I really know nothing about the ins and outs of a commune-type company.

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Post  Anthony Colby on Mon 31 May 2010 - 13:49

don.squire wrote:
Anthony Colby wrote:There is a weapon company for sale in Wales for 19 gold.

The following is a list of companies in order of profitability being used as a training company in Wales:

Food
Gift
Moving Tickets
Weapons

We know that gifts and tickets are harder markets to make sales whereas food and weapons are used daily.

Weapons companies are more valuable in the long-run but as far as Q1 goes, I am surprised that anything can make a profit.

If anyone has another idea for making this work (cue any socialists/communists) I really know nothing about the ins and outs of a commune-type company.

I am not a very good businessman either. I just came across the company and thought I would mention it.

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Post  Conor.Larkin on Mon 31 May 2010 - 14:54

Remember that the company doesn't need to be set up in Wales for people in Wales to work there. Any company in the UK would work fine. Advertisement in Wales and Brittany will be the only way to keep Welsh and Breton players in the game.

First we'll need the essential companies, food and gifts to make sure we can keep wellnesses up of players in Wales and Brittany. Then we should move up to weapons and moving tickets to move members around and train them. Housing companies will also be great if we can get Q1 houses for our Welsh and Breton members.

Ultimately, I think we'll need full commune system for newer members to bring them into the fold. Once we get them set in Wales/Brittany, we'll need to move them to Ireland to take advantage of the Q5 hospital and work to support lower level members

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Post  don.squire on Mon 31 May 2010 - 15:58

Conor.Larkin wrote:Remember that the company doesn't need to be set up in Wales for people in Wales to work there. Any company in the UK would work fine.

If the Welsh/Breton regions ever transition to eIreland than the company would need to be within the geographic bounderies in order to keep working. Short-term, you are right though, it does not need to be.

Conor.Larkin wrote:food and gifts to make sure we can keep wellness up of players in Wales and Brittany. Then we should move up to weapons and moving tickets to move members around and train them. Housing companies will also be great if we can get Q1 houses for our Welsh and Breton members.

I agree

Conor.Larkin wrote:Ultimately, I think we'll need full commune system for newer members to bring them into the fold. Once we get them set in Wales/Brittany, we'll need to move them to Ireland to take advantage of the Q5 hospital and work to support lower level members

They don't need to leave for awhile. Many countries with limited numbers of hospitals offer moving tickets to new citizens. I think they would do better to take advantage of this and continue working for the training communes until they have built up some skills and knowledge.

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Post  Conor.Larkin on Mon 31 May 2010 - 18:59

OK, I think I've got a plan for what we should start from for now.

3 Companies

-Q2/3 Food in Ireland
-Q1 Gifts in UK
-Q1 Gifts in France

-Food companies will be supplied by Irish workers who will provide food for noobs in Wales, Scotland and Brittany. Advertising will be specifically oriented to these regions and we'll get in contact with them. Our main goal will be to keep them in the game, moved to a fortress region for the time being, and keeping their wellness up.

-If they decide to join, they'll work in the Q1 Gift companies to provide gifts for themselves to keep their wellness up.

-RMs, salary, and advertising costs will need to come from either weekly subscriptions of citizens, or citizens working abroad for the best salaries and donating their salaries to the companies. A person earning .35g per day in Canada could buy around 42 grain in the UK. A few of these guys coupled with subscriptions would be enough to cover the costs I think.

-A startup cost of 80 gold (could probably be less based on companies on the market) would cover a Q2 food company in Ireland, and two Q1 gift companies in France and UK

Eventually, we'd hope to be self-sufficient in everything as in:

Ireland

Q3 Food company
Q1 MT company
Q1 Weapons company
Q1 Housing company

UK

Q1 Gift company
Q2 Grain company
Q1 Housing company

France

Q1 Gift company
Q2 Grain company
Q1 Housing company

Abroad

Q2 Iron company
Q2 Oil company
Q2 Diamond company


Obviously that's way far down the road and would cost an approximately 440 gold to set up all those companies. I think our main goal should be to get those first companies set up and recruit as many people as we can through our personal newspapers. The more people we have, the better we'll be off.

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Post  Maddog Jones on Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 4:53

I'll start saving for the UK (Scottish/Welsh) gift company Smile

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Post  Saigneur on Thu 3 Jun 2010 - 12:32

I'm not sure we should sponsor countries that do not support us. I mean I could put up a Q3 grain company in Pays de la Loire but I'm not too keen on working for France... By the way, I don't know why you talk about Q2 for raw companies since Q3 is far more profitable. Otherwise I could put up a Q2/3 food in Ireland but, there is already one called G-Irish Conradh Ceilteach Food... So, what to do ?
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Post  Conor.Larkin on Fri 4 Jun 2010 - 16:54

Ideally Saigneur, we would have the higher-level members be working in Ireland to make higher Q products for the benefit of the noobs who were born in Brittany/Wales/Scotland. The companies in the UK/France will only be for a place for Legaue members to work and build their skills until they can get to Ireland.

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